4:15 p.m.
I saw his Masterclass, and I think if it was him, if I recall correctly, although my memory is failing me, and foggy:
I think when I make myself a cup of tea or coffee, and add sugar, or generally, when I am stirring or dissolving sugar:
I always stir clockwise in the 0 or O shape and then, I will do a 5 shape, and then it stirs better.