9:15 a.m.
I think many policies, we have, they're very pragmatic. We just want results. Very often, this can lead to many people complaining about ethics. This is only natural.
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But no, not really, no.
People will always complain.
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I don't want to sound like Trump.
And I think Obama is a winner.
Sure.
But when you see our policies, they often are designed, to achieve the best outcomes and also to cater for the most vulnerable.
It's designed to improve lives.
And yes, that must mean we earn the most.